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Tuesday, November 11, 2008

Keith Olbermann is Right, It is About Love and Family



Hello Papamoka Bloggers - Last night Keith Olbermann of MSNBC's Countdown amazed us again with one of his best and most heart-felt special comments yet.

He said it without being loud or angry, although, I liked it when he was angry during the worst of the Bush years. He just talked about love and understanding. It was wonderful, and impressive.

His special comments are always good, but this one was special. It was a straight man defending a gay person's right to happiness.

Like he said, it's a simple thing: "please don't get in the way." I agree with him. That is what I said in defense of those basic civil rights on this blog before the election.

No matter what my fellow voters of California said, the US Constitution guarantees equal rights, and our founding, cornerstone Declaration of Independence promised everyone a right to be happy.

We should not deny monogamous, consenting adults the right to be happy together. If marriage is necessary to guarantee that happiness, then we need to avail that civil and basic right to them.

Laws prevent polygamy and incest because they damage lives. If gay marriage doesn't hurt them, you, your children, or society, then Keith is right, get out of the way. Allow them to create families, love each other, and be happy. Building better families is always better for society.

Michael Boh
Papamoka's Left Coast Contributor
from Our Rants & Raves Blog

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Friday, November 07, 2008

California and Prop H8 Passed

The majority of people in California voted for a state constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage. The people have spoken and in most cases this would be the end of this discussion. It is not! As just one state of the Union that is America, it doesn’t wash when we all have to abide by the United States Constitution and the legal courts that determine if this vote or amendment is even Constitutional?

Glenn Greenwald of Salon.Com brought up a good point that there is in fact a defense of marriage act (DOMA) that has already been passed by the Senate and Congress and signed by President Clinton in 1996. There is just one little problem with it being a law on the books of the land. It’s blatant discrimination and wrong. One group of people in America can drink the fatted cows milk and fruit of our nation but you other people in America can only have soy milk or even worse you must drink nothing at all in its place.

Now is the time for all people that are pissed off about this issue to raise up a federal and state ruckus. Your heterosexual marriage is not defined by the marriage of gay people. If you think it is then you have some serious problems in your own ideology of what a commitment for life between to soul mates is. Would you like the state or federal government to regulate your issues in the bedroom? How about them regulating who can care for you when you are deathly ill and only allowing government sanctioned loved ones into the emergency room or intensive care unit? Lets go further and say that the federal government would deny your widow or widower property rights because they declared you life long commitment to one another not legal because there is no certificate of marriage? You just lived together for the last thirty or forty years. Your lifetime assets are taken from you because there is no legally binding document that says you are the surviving spouse. Is it okay with you to steal all of the rights of a committed couple over decades in the same relationship because the local preacher says so? That is what passing Proposition 8 and this State Constitutional Amendment in California will do and it sets a precedent that should not be acceptable in this nation.

This issue on gay and lesbian discrimination pisses me off. You don’t have to be gay or lesbian to see a wrong. Just like you did not have to be black to see a wrong during the civil rights movement. You didn’t have to be Jewish alone to be prosecuted and murdered by the administration of Adolf Hitler either. Banning gay marriage in California is like telling someone they are not allowed to breath the same air as you! Is your air that much cleaner or holier?

Everyone that has a heart beat that thinks this is just blatant discrimination should email your Senator and House of Representative member. This is not just a California issue, this an American issue that we need to face up to. Gay and Lesbian people are not a curse or a threat to your relationship with your wife or husband. Flood your state and federal government representatives with emails, letters and phone calls demanding that the Supreme Court look at this issue and strike it down as unconstitutional. Repealing the DOMA is a good place to start your conversation with them.

Racism is alive and well in America and it is rearing its ugly head at those that are gay and lesbian today. Who are they going to look at tomorrow? Interacial couples, couples of mixed faith, who is next in this declaration of they are right and you are wrong? Face it, get mad at it, tell people you are concerned about it, and contact your elected leaders in government about it. I sure as hell will and I am not going to be polite about it.

Papamoka

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Saturday, November 01, 2008

California Prop 8 and Marriage

It seems ironic to me that anyone would begrudge the partnership of a committed relationship between two people in America. This is after all the land of the free, the home of the brave, and the nation that fights for freedom and against oppression on all shores across the world. We are a nation of acceptance of all nationalities, all nations, all immigrants. So why is Gay Marriage a threat to anyone?

If my neighbor or friend that is gay or lesbian, has a long term relationship, and they are happy together, then who am I or anyone else to tell them that they can not have a legally binding marriage? When did it become acceptable for Joe Six pack or Jane Decanter to insert their opinions into your heterosexual relationship lives? And if they did I’m certain it did not have any basis as to the relationship you had or have with your spouse. If it did, then you did not have a lifetime of thought and commitment to the other person in your relationship. Politics and propositions on the ballot have no place in our state or national elections. The bedrooms of America are off limits and none of your damn business on the ballot.

Prop 8 in California is all about making sure that Gay and Lesbian people can never have a “Marriage” so to speak. It is not demanding that all religions have to marry same sex couples by any means. Changing California’s state constitution to literally ban same sex marriage is not by any means from a thinking persons point of view. What it is really about is fear and misunderstanding of our fellow citizens in America. I’ll get into that later but this is what Ballot Pedia has for legal language on the proposition…

Proposition 8 is a proposed amendment to the California constitution which if passed into law would be known as the California Marriage Protection Act. This California ballot proposition will appear on the November 4, 2008 ballot along with eleven other statewide propositions. Proposition 8 is one of four ballot measures which propose to amend the California state constitution and appears on the ballot titled as Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry.

If it passes, it will amend the state constitution to say "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California".[1]
The electoral contest over Prop. 8 is attracting passionate interest and attention from around the country (and even the world)[2] as it enters its last week.
- BallotPedia.org

This issue really isn’t what the fear mongers are selling to the people of California. Having a Gay or Lesbian married couple living next door is not intruding on your bedroom. Voting for Prop 8 would in fact be invading into everyone’s bedroom. What is next on the proposition voter initiatives questions? You can’t hold hands with your wife in a public square? How about throwing a burkah over your wife and daughters? Any deviant sexual positions not authorized by the state you could be arrested for an imprisoned for. Would Peeping Tom's be sanctioned by Homeland Security? Even if you were two consenting adults.

Gay marriage is not a threat to traditional marriage in any logical terms unless you think you or your spouse may be gay or lesbian. Then that is an issue that you and your spouse need to discuss or hire a damn good lawyer for. Speaking of that, if gay people want to get married then let them, in America today just over 50% of long term relationships break up and the legal community could use the economic benefit. We are after all in an economic recession.

My wife and I have been married (Catholic) for over 14 years and we have had our good times and our bad times. We have survived to date by having one another through a traditional marriage. I lean on her and she on I on a daily basis. Nothing less than that and either one of us could have just said “Screw it!” and walked away. We have been blessed from God above with five baby girls and they do play a major part in our relationship and love for one another. Not once in our 14 years of marriage have we ever feared our gay or lesbian friends influence on our children or our marriage. There has never been reason to do so! It’s simply irrelevant of our personal commitment to one another as a “Married” couple. So why is Gay marriage a threat to anyone else’s relationship as a married couple? This isn’t about invading anyone’s faith, demanding churches wed them because the state constitution says you have too! It does not work that way when our nation has separation of church and state. That is in the United States Constitution. You can’t trump that legal document.

Proposition 8 in California is a disaster and has no bearing on your relationship with your wife or husband. Massachusetts passed a gay marriage law and we have not fallen off the face of the Earth. Matter of fact, it hasn’t changed anything other than the fact that two people can make a lifetime commitment to one another. And yes, the divorce rate is on par with the rest of us that are married in churches and temples and what have you. If anything, we should let the gay community across America see how frustrating or rewarding a true marriage of two people can be. Misery loves company so to speak.

Till death do us part can have many interpretations and if the two people that exchange that vow mean it, then God bless them both for it. Man and woman, or same sex participants in one relationship that joins two together for life.

Common sense has to prevail where fear is used to subjugate your fellow Americans. This is not an issue for states to vote on! This is a human rights issue where people need to see that love sometimes comes in forms that you as an individual do not understand but it is still love between two people. How is this relevant to real issues our states and our nation need to face? It isn’t. Prop 8 should go down in defeat just as all racist legislation should. Enough is enough!

Papamoka

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Tuesday, August 28, 2007

Senator Craig isn’t Gay, He Just Solicits for Gay Sex?



Why am I not amazed that yet another anti gay, might be gay Republican is going down in burning hot pink flames? For the record Senator Larry Craig claims to not be gay. Sorry Larry, the math just will not add up for you given the current guilty plea. If it walks like a duck, quacks likes a duck, chances are that it isn’t a Bison.

I don’t have any issues with gays or lesbians. Some of my and my families closest friends live their lives as they choose and I’m proud to be their friend. I do however have an issue with a homophobe like soon to be former Republican Senator Larry Craig that claims not to be gay and uses his office to push an anti gay and lesbian agenda. Meanwhile in the dark closet of his own mind he sort of likes the idea of being gay but can’t admit it because he is a proud Republican. Either that or his wife will kick his fuchsia tinted ass? I’m not sure where to go with that last statement.

Over at the Boston Herald they have this great piece from the Associated Press on Larry’s dilema…

Craig says he did nothing wrong, isn’t gay; GOP leaders call for investigation
By Associated Press
Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - Updated: 06:06 PM EST


BOISE, Idaho - Under fire from leaders of his own party, Idaho Sen. Larry Craig on Tuesday said the only thing he had done wrong was to plead guilty after a complaint of lewd conduct in a men’s room. He declared, "I am not gay. I never have been gay."

"I did nothing wrong at the Minneapolis airport," he said at a news conference with his wife, Suzanne, at his side.

Craig’s defiant news conference came as Senate Republican leaders in Washington called for an ethics committee review into his involvement in a police sting operation this summer in the airport men’s room.

"In the meantime, the leadership is examining other aspects of the case to see if additional action is required," Sen. Mitch McConnell and other top GOP lawmakers said in a written statement.

Snipski…

Do you think that maybe they are going to throw Larry a coming out of the closet party or a going away party? This one is going to be a close call. There’s more to this story…

Craig entered his plea several weeks after an undercover police officer in the Minneapolis arrested him and issued a complaint that said the three-term senator had engaged in actions "often used by persons communicating a desire to engage in sexual conduct."

Snipski…

I’m sure this was a misunderstanding… Umm, then again I might be lying to push my stubbornly liberal and left wing agenda to take over the world. I think I might send that in to Rush Limbaugh just for laughs… Again! There’s more…

The conservative three-term senator, who has represented Idaho in Congress for more than a quarter-century, is up for re-election next year. He said he would announce next month whether he would run again.

Craig, who has voted against gay marriage, finds his political future in doubt in the wake of the charges, which have drawn national attention.

Craig, 62, has faced rumors about his sexuality since the 1980s, but allegations that he had engaged in gay sex have never been substantiated. Craig has denied the assertions, which he calls ridiculous.

The scandal had already taken a political toll. On Monday, Craig resigned from a prominent role with Republican Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign. He had been one of Romney’s top Senate supporters, serving as a liaison for the campaign since February.
- Boston Herald

This is horrible! Mitt Romney must be devastated at losing his “Not Gay” Senator in his campaign support team. I’m sure the clock didn’t tick a second when Mitt took that resignation and filed it under accepted. No gays at Mitt R Us is safe once more from all that gay stuff and drapes that co-ordinate with the room. I can hear the sigh of relief at one of Mitt’s mansions now.

I’m not sure what the big deal is but apparently you can not be a card carrying Republican and also be gay. I guess it sends the wrong message to the party. Does that make them the party of exclusion? All the signs from Mitt and his crew says so, then again all the Senators Republican so called friends are bailing on him too.
One thing that is certain in this whole mess is that the Senator did enter a guilty plea and that in itself is the whole story. The other certain point is that somewhere in Idaho the Republican party is having a sissy fit trying to find a manly man to take their Larry’s place. Did I write that out loud?

No offense intended to the gay or lesbian community. Republicans just seem to be full of hypocrisy these days and thank God above for that! Just walk away Larry, you are a disgrace to your party and your state. Hypocrisy is not the path traveled with great rewards.

Papamoka
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Thursday, June 14, 2007

Gay Marriage is Safe in Mass a Two Sticks…

What happened in Boston today really was not about Gay or Lesbian people having the ability or right to legally marry. Although I am very much in favor of gay marriage, today was really about our state Constitution and keeping it intact as a living working document that is fair for all citizens of the state. Placing any language in it that bans the personal rights of any individuals happiness is not for the place of government at any level.

Over at the Boston Herald they had this to say about it…

Lawmakers defeat gay marriage ban amendment by five votes
By Casey Ross
Boston Herald Reporter
Thursday, June 14, 2007

The state Legislature has defeated a proposed constitutional ban on gay marriage, ending a three-year campaign to overturn its legalization after several lawmakers switched their votes in the final hours of a dramatic legislative battle.

The proposed constitutional ban was defeated in a roll-call vote of both houses of the Legislature shortly after 1 p.m. today, triggering a thunderous ovation by gay couples in the State House. The final tally was 151-45, giving supporters of gay marriage a victory by 5 votes.

The vote means the ban will be blocked from reaching the 2008 ballot, and that gay marriage has survived its final challenge, barring an unlikely effort to resurrect the ban at a later date.
- Boston Herald

For all the folks that were demanding that gay marriage be banned in this state I’d suggest that you look around at your own family. Chances are that someone that you love very dearly is gay. Would it ever be right to deny that person the happiness of having a state recognized lifetime commitment? We should define marriage as love between two people and leave it at that.

Now that the state is out of the peoples personal lives can we get something done about matters that are really important? Is it true that cats and dogs are living together. Now that just isn’t right.

Papamoka

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