California and Prop H8 Passed

The majority of people in California voted for a state constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage. The people have spoken and in most cases this would be the end of this discussion. It is not! As just one state of the Union that is America, it doesn’t wash when we all have to abide by the United States Constitution and the legal courts that determine if this vote or amendment is even Constitutional?

Glenn Greenwald of Salon.Com brought up a good point that there is in fact a defense of marriage act (DOMA) that has already been passed by the Senate and Congress and signed by President Clinton in 1996. There is just one little problem with it being a law on the books of the land. It’s blatant discrimination and wrong. One group of people in America can drink the fatted cows milk and fruit of our nation but you other people in America can only have soy milk or even worse you must drink nothing at all in its place.

Now is the time for all people that are pissed off about this issue to raise up a federal and state ruckus. Your heterosexual marriage is not defined by the marriage of gay people. If you think it is then you have some serious problems in your own ideology of what a commitment for life between to soul mates is. Would you like the state or federal government to regulate your issues in the bedroom? How about them regulating who can care for you when you are deathly ill and only allowing government sanctioned loved ones into the emergency room or intensive care unit? Lets go further and say that the federal government would deny your widow or widower property rights because they declared you life long commitment to one another not legal because there is no certificate of marriage? You just lived together for the last thirty or forty years. Your lifetime assets are taken from you because there is no legally binding document that says you are the surviving spouse. Is it okay with you to steal all of the rights of a committed couple over decades in the same relationship because the local preacher says so? That is what passing Proposition 8 and this State Constitutional Amendment in California will do and it sets a precedent that should not be acceptable in this nation.

This issue on gay and lesbian discrimination pisses me off. You don’t have to be gay or lesbian to see a wrong. Just like you did not have to be black to see a wrong during the civil rights movement. You didn’t have to be Jewish alone to be prosecuted and murdered by the administration of Adolf Hitler either. Banning gay marriage in California is like telling someone they are not allowed to breath the same air as you! Is your air that much cleaner or holier?

Everyone that has a heart beat that thinks this is just blatant discrimination should email your Senator and House of Representative member. This is not just a California issue, this an American issue that we need to face up to. Gay and Lesbian people are not a curse or a threat to your relationship with your wife or husband. Flood your state and federal government representatives with emails, letters and phone calls demanding that the Supreme Court look at this issue and strike it down as unconstitutional. Repealing the DOMA is a good place to start your conversation with them.

Racism is alive and well in America and it is rearing its ugly head at those that are gay and lesbian today. Who are they going to look at tomorrow? Interacial couples, couples of mixed faith, who is next in this declaration of they are right and you are wrong? Face it, get mad at it, tell people you are concerned about it, and contact your elected leaders in government about it. I sure as hell will and I am not going to be polite about it.

Papamoka

California Prop 8 and Marriage

It seems ironic to me that anyone would begrudge the partnership of a committed relationship between two people in America. This is after all the land of the free, the home of the brave, and the nation that fights for freedom and against oppression on all shores across the world. We are a nation of acceptance of all nationalities, all nations, all immigrants. So why is Gay Marriage a threat to anyone?

If my neighbor or friend that is gay or lesbian, has a long term relationship, and they are happy together, then who am I or anyone else to tell them that they can not have a legally binding marriage? When did it become acceptable for Joe Six pack or Jane Decanter to insert their opinions into your heterosexual relationship lives? And if they did I’m certain it did not have any basis as to the relationship you had or have with your spouse. If it did, then you did not have a lifetime of thought and commitment to the other person in your relationship. Politics and propositions on the ballot have no place in our state or national elections. The bedrooms of America are off limits and none of your damn business on the ballot.

Prop 8 in California is all about making sure that Gay and Lesbian people can never have a “Marriage” so to speak. It is not demanding that all religions have to marry same sex couples by any means. Changing California’s state constitution to literally ban same sex marriage is not by any means from a thinking persons point of view. What it is really about is fear and misunderstanding of our fellow citizens in America. I’ll get into that later but this is what Ballot Pedia has for legal language on the proposition…

Proposition 8 is a proposed amendment to the California constitution which if passed into law would be known as the California Marriage Protection Act. This California ballot proposition will appear on the November 4, 2008 ballot along with eleven other statewide propositions. Proposition 8 is one of four ballot measures which propose to amend the California state constitution and appears on the ballot titled as Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry.

If it passes, it will amend the state constitution to say "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California".[1]
The electoral contest over Prop. 8 is attracting passionate interest and attention from around the country (and even the world)[2] as it enters its last week. - BallotPedia.org

This issue really isn’t what the fear mongers are selling to the people of California. Having a Gay or Lesbian married couple living next door is not intruding on your bedroom. Voting for Prop 8 would in fact be invading into everyone’s bedroom. What is next on the proposition voter initiatives questions? You can’t hold hands with your wife in a public square? How about throwing a burkah over your wife and daughters? Any deviant sexual positions not authorized by the state you could be arrested for an imprisoned for. Would Peeping Tom's be sanctioned by Homeland Security? Even if you were two consenting adults.

Gay marriage is not a threat to traditional marriage in any logical terms unless you think you or your spouse may be gay or lesbian. Then that is an issue that you and your spouse need to discuss or hire a damn good lawyer for. Speaking of that, if gay people want to get married then let them, in America today just over 50% of long term relationships break up and the legal community could use the economic benefit. We are after all in an economic recession.

My wife and I have been married (Catholic) for over 14 years and we have had our good times and our bad times. We have survived to date by having one another through a traditional marriage. I lean on her and she on I on a daily basis. Nothing less than that and either one of us could have just said “Screw it!” and walked away. We have been blessed from God above with five baby girls and they do play a major part in our relationship and love for one another. Not once in our 14 years of marriage have we ever feared our gay or lesbian friends influence on our children or our marriage. There has never been reason to do so! It’s simply irrelevant of our personal commitment to one another as a “Married” couple. So why is Gay marriage a threat to anyone else’s relationship as a married couple? This isn’t about invading anyone’s faith, demanding churches wed them because the state constitution says you have too! It does not work that way when our nation has separation of church and state. That is in the United States Constitution. You can’t trump that legal document.

Proposition 8 in California is a disaster and has no bearing on your relationship with your wife or husband. Massachusetts passed a gay marriage law and we have not fallen off the face of the Earth. Matter of fact, it hasn’t changed anything other than the fact that two people can make a lifetime commitment to one another. And yes, the divorce rate is on par with the rest of us that are married in churches and temples and what have you. If anything, we should let the gay community across America see how frustrating or rewarding a true marriage of two people can be. Misery loves company so to speak.

Till death do us part can have many interpretations and if the two people that exchange that vow mean it, then God bless them both for it. Man and woman, or same sex participants in one relationship that joins two together for life.

Common sense has to prevail where fear is used to subjugate your fellow Americans. This is not an issue for states to vote on! This is a human rights issue where people need to see that love sometimes comes in forms that you as an individual do not understand but it is still love between two people. How is this relevant to real issues our states and our nation need to face? It isn’t. Prop 8 should go down in defeat just as all racist legislation should. Enough is enough!

Papamoka