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Tuesday, June 09, 2009

The Decline and Possible Fall of the Republican Empire

Good Morning Papamoka Bloggers! I must say it's extraordinary to watch the Republicans these days. It's the talk of the political world, so let's add our voices to the gossip flying around about the GOP's current campaign of shock and awe.

We all know it's easier to herd cats than to get Democrats to agree, but I always thought the Republicans were the disciplined party. They always seemed willing to sacrifice individual expression for party unity.

Well, I guess not during a serious power struggle, like the GOP of 2009. It's incredible to watch, but there's no doubt they are deep in battle, with no end in sight. They are all busy forming strange alliances among elected officials, party loyalists and special interest groups. Unlike past Democratic power struggles, to me the GOP equivalent seems brutal, almost Roman-like in spectacle!

The GOP elite are all jockeying for favor among a small group of fantatical die-hards. This donation-friendly fringe of Republican radicals seem to hold all the power, and they seem to be enjoying the blood sport - at least for now. People like Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich are all on a feeding frenzy, all benefiting from the party's perceived lust for senseless change. Don't forget the "Tea Baggers?"

Interestingly, the GOP's current power struggle doesn't seem to be about new ideas. Instead, it seems to be about power and control.

They do have one thing in common. They're all driven by an absurd belief that President Obama is a radical socialist - or worse, a fascist. There's no doubt they're all singing that idiotic tune to their messianic masses. Painting Obama as "Tyrant and Chief" has become the equivalent of the GOP spiking the public punch - they see it as harmless, but it could come back to bite them.

The battle for party power is now primarily among and between the former disgraced House Speaker Newt Gingrich, the former corrupt Vice President Dick Cheney, the current "Moron and Chief" Sarah Palin, and the "Mormon Mannequin" Mitt Romney. The lesser crazies like Huckabee, Paul, Palwenty and Jindal are all waiting in the wings. The spectacle is quite entertaining. I can't wait to see what happens prior to the next election.

Their spectacle has started to make the Democratic power struggles of the past 10 years look like a walk in the park.

Their latest embarrassment unfolded this week when Sarah Palin was told that she would not be allowed to speak at a major GOP fundraiser. There are plenty of rumors flying about as to why Palin was snubbed, but the best is that Newt Gingrich (and his influential Capitol Hill supporters) wanted her for fundraising purposes only. God forbid they allow her to speak! Now that is funny!

The fur is now flying between Gingrich, Palin and a whole group of Republicans, all competing for loyalties - it's getting downright tribal. The far right rank-and-file seem to love Sarah Palin, while party leaders like McCain and Steele see her only as useful blank check. It's fun to watch them all use each other. The whole thing is downright hilarious!

While all this is going on the party continues to shrink. Loyalties are splintering throughout the party, and it's certain party moderates are beginning to question going solo, or independent.

Party moderates seem to be hoping for a savior - like a modern Ronald Reagan - yet few are holding their breath. Most are fighting to hold back scandal like the one that knocked out Arlen Specter, a victim of the far right's Club for Growth. It's wild, but unless something changes soon, the GOP will most likely lose badly in the upcoming 2012 elections.

Finally, the most shocking part of their spectacle seems to be a distinct lack of new ideas. They are beating the same old ant-government, anti-tax drums they've been beating since Ronald Reagan. They seem to think it will work, but it's pretty clear to the rest of us they need to learn from their mistakes and move on.

Instead of fighting to please their radical base, acting like stuck-in-the-mud lunatics, an honest Republican needs to emerge with good ideas to help average Americans. That individual needs to drop the fear mongering and hate speech, tell the truth, and focus on solving real problems for real people - not just the rich. Unless somebody like that emerges, the GOP may simply fade away.

Michael Boh
Papamoka's Left Coast Contributor
from Our Rants & Raves Blog

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

you know you could insert "democrat" wherever you have "republican" and it will mean the same thing.
You are giving so much power to one guy and you can't or won't even see or believe how dangerous that can be. Yes I am using the word dangerous,especially when the media drones compare him to God. Sorry but WTF is that? They are like the "Useless Idiots".
Palin wasn't scheduled to speak anyway but I'd rather hear her that Joe the Schmo speak.
Believe me it isn't as bad as you want it o be. They lost an election big deal. And once people come to their senses like they are starting too then they will vote out the democrats like they did several times before. But it seems the only way the democrats have a chance to stay in power is not by their actions but by their enormous expansion of government control that people would be left with little choice but to live with it no matter how bad it is.
Be careful what you wish for unless you agree with the George Soros policies of racking up the deficit and printing money.
But then again that's what an education gets you today.

9:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And you know it's people like you and Olberman downpalying tea baggers like it's okay to dismiss hundreds of thousands of people.It is only fueled them to do more which it also has. There has been a movement started from that. It wasn't just a few redneck racists protesting. It's peope who care about this country and know that Obama has an agenda. An agenda of power and deficits and bankruptcy. And there are young people getting involved as well especially when they leran how this will affect their futures.
There are over over 400 organizations formed from those "tea parties" across the country in just 3 months so don't underestimate it or dismiss it so easily.
People are realizing what Hope and Change really means.

9:44 PM  
Blogger by Michael Boh said...

Lisa - I agree that it's highly possible this is just a heated battle and the Republicans will do what they usually do and regain power, but my point was that the battle seems more heated than usual. It's not just heated, it's confusing and full of misinformation. The policies debated by them are old and most of us now know they don't work. That was my main point. My point was that most of us hopefully won't fall for it next time.

In so far as the "Tea Parties" go, I disagree with you. They were not the grassroot gatherings you're trying to make them out to be. They were people leveraged by all manner of GOP factions to look like a mini-Revolution. The numbers suggest otherwise. We've all seen girl scout gatherings with more people. Sorry, you're not going to convince the rest of us there is a movement afoot. It's just not believeable.

Read the NY Times this morning (and don't give me that FOX "NEWS" crap that it's not a valid newspaper - that's just BS). Once more, a well research article showing how the vast majority of the deficit was created by REPUBLICANS! Why don't you people figure that out? The only money we're spending is to prevent us from sinking into the abyss. Over time, WE WANT TO PAY OFF THE DEBT! It's a lie to cast us as the deficit spenders if you look at the big picture. Do your homework!

9:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry Michael but the Times will never hold Obama accountable. He is the one creating this debt only to expand government.
He was elected to fix the economy and he is doing all he can to make it worse.
Like I said the Tea Parties are just the beginning. It wasn't a few people. I was a t a ocal one with 3000 people in NY and that was one of many so you really don't have o believe but all the organizations acroos the country are all linked together they aren't just lone groups.
Keep you eyes open ther is going to be the biggest March on DC you have seen in along time.
The reason you call it a "few"peopel is the way is was reported. Our local TV station reported from a Helicopter after many had already left even though they were ther all day and reported iit as a couple of dozen when n fact there were thousands so you are only fooling yourself when you say the media and the government aren't one in the same.

And yes theyt got a phone call from me and a not so nice email on how they reported it.

10:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry about the mess of that last comment. I had to run out quick and ha no time to check it.

1:06 PM  
Blogger sue said...

Michael don't you think this administration is doing a poor job telling the country how the stimulus money will be paid back to the government, and the debt will be cut,as President Obama talked about the other day. The Democrats are the party who actually knows how to work towards a surplus, the Repubs only know how to spend our surplus. God help us if the Republicans come back into power any time soon. Sorry Lisa, but the citizens of this country are so much smarter than they were 8 years ago. No way no how would we ever vote in the likes of Palin. Can you see her overseas talking to countries like Obama is doing?? Paaaalese.

6:08 PM  
Blogger Machinist said...

"The Democrats are the party who actually knows how to work towards a surplus, the Repubs only know how to spend our surplus."

Sue, I don't know where you got that idea but I am afraid that history refutes it. I spent most of my life in California where they would cycle between liberal and conservative Governors. The conservative Republicans like Reagan and Deukmejian would have the economy thriving with good surpluses and lower taxes, Then liberal Democrats like J. Brown and Davis would crash the economy and run huge deficits. This with the Democrats having a huge majority the whole time. This is why the most liberal Democratic states like Mass., Calif, and New York tend to elect Republican Governors, they find they need an adult to ride heard on the irresponsible Democratic legislatures to keep things running.

Look at the states that are in the most trouble now and I think you will find they are liberal Democrat states. The ones that are healthiest tend to be in Republican hands. One of the things Bill Clinton most brags about as his accomplishments in office was the balanced budget, yet this was forced on him by a Republican legislature. He claimed it was unneeded and even harmful at the time.

No disrespect, Ma'am, but I am afraid the next few years will demonstrate just how wrong this quote is. We are looking at undreamed of deficits that will saddle our kids for generations.

I wish it was not so and I hope for the best.

10:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What amazes me is the deficit was 2% GDP under Bush in 8 years and in less than one year it Obama has it at 4%. And this doesn't bother anyone? Nothing? Nada? MSNBC? Nothing? ABC nothing? Except maybe a tingling feeling down their legs.
Maybe you like what he is spending it on. Do you like what he is spending it on?

This spending is not stimulus and he goes on the air bragging about the 150,000 Jobs he created while losing 2 million? And no one questions it(publicly)? All this money he is spending is nothing more than growing government but maybe you prefer more government in your life.

Frankly I find it freakishly weird how Obama has such Charisma that people are just so "taken" with him
to the point of never disagreeing. I don't see how that is being "smarter" . But then again these are the people who have been waiting for a guy like Obama.Your colleges and schools told you so.
Don't you find that to be just a little on the edge of "WHO THE HELL AM I"?
It's like they live through him.
There's a difference between admiring someone and obsessing about them. Chanting his name and crying? Frankly, it takes a hell of lot more than that to make me cry. Call me cold what can I say?

Obama is smart I never would say otherwise. He knows exactly what he is doing and that is the part that many people are not comfortable with. But what do
they know they are just stupid rednecks. Just asked the spokesperson Jeanine Grafolo. Yeah she gets a platform from MSNBC to spew that crap.

I met a very lovely and very smart single mother who works 2 jobs. One full time and one her own catering business she does part time. She is so against what is going on because she feels
she breaks her back to make ends meet and she doesn't and can't afford to give any of that up. She has been fighting tirelessly to make a difference .

That is something to be admired Obviously we have different ideas of how things work or at least strive for it. That's why people either have always admired us and
definitely obsessed with us. Good and Bad.

Many people are nervous about the speed this "change" is getting shoved through so fast. But frankly I don't appreciate being someone's little science experiment or guinea pig.
But hey who the hell do I think I am right? And who the hell does anyone think they are? After all God is in the Whitehouse now and I just quiver at the very thought of it.And not in a sexual way either.


10:18 PM  
Blogger Machinist said...

An experiment is meant to discover or verify something. The programs being pushed like national health care have already been tried and are a disaster everywhere. These programs give life and death power to government but are terrible for the people.

10:42 PM  
Blogger Machinist said...

"Finally, the most shocking part of their spectacle seems to be a distinct lack of new ideas. They are beating the same old ant-government, anti-tax drums they've been beating since Ronald Reagan. They seem to think it will work, but it's pretty clear to the rest of us they need to learn from their mistakes and move on."

It might just be that these things have worked every time they have been tried. It is also possible that the things that they are faithful to are principles. It may not be popular but being true to one's principles rather than bending back and forth with popular opinion will earn respect with some people. It's called integrity. Reagan was despised by the moderate leadership of the Republican party who wanted nothing to do with those old fashioned conservatives who supported him. It was not until the disaster of the Carter administration made "liberal" a dirty word that he gathered such support from the conservative voters, Republican AND Democrat, that the party jumped on his bandwagon. As soon as he was gone they abandoned his principles and lost the support of the people he brought together. Newt offered a commitment to those same principles and was historically successful until he was undercut and his coalition of conservative leaders and freshmen fell apart.

The Republican party's greatest success has come from offering true conservative government. When they stray from those principles they lose. I can well understand why Democrats want them to walk away from such successful methods.

11:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Love your comments Machinist. will reply tomorrow. It's past my bedtime. Goodnight until tomorrow.

11:29 PM  
Blogger Machinist said...

Thank you, Lisa. I will look forward to more of your thoughts. Sleep well.

11:31 PM  
Blogger B.J. said...


You know I’m a stickler for credible sources. What bleeds through in certain phrases, certain declarations in these comments is reliance on particular sources of information. The astute reader recognizes this.

As you point out: a good indicator of what the GOP has come to is, by and large, its current base – at fringe percentages.

As I type this, I am listening to “CBS Up to the Minute” about the “white supremacist” entering the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, ready to kill anyone in his sights. Over the last eight years, the number of hate groups – and, yes, these are terrorists – has mushroomed in this country. Why do you think that is?

God help a political party whose base is fired up by propaganda, negativism and hate speech. God help America when the critical issues we (the world) faces cannot be addressed above the trumpeting of partisan bickering.

I have linked this post in DemWit’s sidebar.

Thank you for telling it like it is!


2:42 AM  
Blogger Machinist said...

Respectfully Ma'am, I hope you are not trying to connect this nuts actions with the last eight years of the Bush administration or the Republican base. He tried to take over the Federal Reserve in 1981 with a revolver and shotgun. He did time in prison for it and has been a known nut for decades. He is a "truther", one who thinks Bush staged 9/11. He can hardly be called a Republican fanatic and his conspiracy views and anti-Semetism are much closer to Rev. Wrights than the Republicans, though his Supremacist views would be more in line with Sen. Byrd's.

As a professional I would expect you to look to the mainstream acceptance of terrorists like Ayers, Arafat, and terrorist groups like ALF, Earth First, and PETA when exploring the expansion and toleration of extremist groups, rather than the Republican Party which has always supported law and order over these groups. Wouldn't this be more rational and sensible? I do hope you will expand on this and explain what I am missing.

I shall watch with interest.

3:07 AM  
Blogger Machinist said...

To clarify, I am not suggesting he is a fanatical Democrat. He is a "birther" nut and hates blacks as well as Jews. I am pointing out that he is hardly a conservative and in fact has been stoked up by many of the nuttier theories being pushed by the left the last six years.

Perhaps the left could take a deep breath if they are in fact confident of their position and begin to work in good faith to find common ground. The shrill hysteria still being displayed is not really appropriate if they believe what they are saying about the Republicans being finished. Who are they so afraid of? Why are they so stressed? They have the Whitehouse, the Congress, and the Senate. They say the Republicans are history. So relax. I am left with no voice in government and I am content to see where the next election takes us. Why are the Democrats so afraid?

3:17 AM  
Anonymous Falzone for America said...

I can see the 20 percent of voters who still support the Neocon movement have found this blog! The destructive, slimy, deceptive, politics of the right wing has met with the fruit of their labor. A healthy community comes together to solve problems not by exclusion but by unity. As long as Republicans continue to say "Every Man for Himself" they will continue to slide into obscurity.

Obama is working wonders considering what he has to work with. Any policy needs bipartisan support to last. Partisanship is the bread and butter of the Republican Party. I can hope that Republicans will continue to dwindle and leave the policy making for responsible adults.

6:17 AM  
Anonymous Frodo, missing Bill Proxmire said...

Ladies and gentlemen,let us retreat, slightly, from ideological refrain and keep a few economic realities in focus. The following figures are in the public realm during the past week, and offer some clarity to both the sincere and the brain-dead.
37% of the current cumulative deficit is "cyclical," and immune from any administration (interest paid on savings bonds your kids buy at school, et al). 30% is directly linked to the spending initiatives and tax cuts of the George W. Bush Presidency. 7% is directly linked to initiatives and stimulus actions linked to the Barack Obama Presidency. That leaves 24% to lay back on prior administrations, the overwhelming amount of which falls on George H.W. Bush.
Frodo is not arguing that all of our fiscal problems relate back to a family born to money, none of whom have ever done anything on their own outside the world of the government teat, but it makes little sense to argue about someone's perceived motivations, when the results of an incompetent government, and those who defended it, is biting you in the butt.
Republicans are totally without credibility today, and they have no one to blamebut themselves.

7:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't feel what is going on is so much the result of an incompetent government as it is the ideals of some power brokers influencing our elections to make us weak.
It was a big secret during the campaign that George Soros(Nazi Sympathizer) was the influence behind Obama. Now that he has the power it's an irrelevant point.
What happened to Hillary Clinton? That again was the result of what Obama did in Chicago. Getting people off the ballot.
I believe and many others do that Obama has been groomed for a while to take his place in our government with one purpose and one purpose only. To mold it into an unrecognizable place that the left may even oppose some day.
Just remember when you have a dictator and that's exactly what he is,who rule arbitrarily they may one day be replaced by one you oppose.
So while you all worship Obama just remember world history what that can eventually lead to.
I hate to have to tell you I told you so which I find myself already saying.
I have a question. Why would you support someone who is so questionable to so many yet you blindly support him based on some eloquent speeches? Are you willing to say you agree with his taking over companies and forcing money on states and institutions in order to have them follow a centralized government? I can't believe that smart educated people go along with this. But them again that is what they are teaching in the schools today. You know re-education.
All I can say is this is not a path we should be following. What ever happened to the rule of law you guys were spewing for the last 8 years?
It's okay as long as it's Obama the dictator and not Bush the dictator? Even though Bush doesn't even come close to the power grab Obama is doing.

9:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And if you think Americans are smarter today than 8 years ago think again. Free thinking people don't give all this power to one person without any debate. Frankly it's not smart,it's stupid.

9:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many czars does Obama have now 16? Who only answer to him.
Now GM just funneled 2 billion dollars to a private equity firm in CA to buy bankrupt Delphi. Tax payer money at work with no oversight and no Congressional approval. Sound like laundering to me.
Sounds like something you would normally oppose only this is one man making all the decisions. Owning banks too means he even owns your savings.
At least many of us were prepared for this the people who supported it are clueless as what is coming and will be shocked the most when it hits home. And it will not be Bush's fault anymore.
God friggin help us.

9:51 AM  
Blogger Machinist said...

"Partisanship is the bread and butter of the Republican Party."

I don't say you are wrong but my memory is not what it used to be. Please help me by pointing out what Democratic President in the last fifty years has had the bipartisan support that Reagan had and used so successfully?

What Democratic Congress was elected with as much bipartisan support as Newt rallied in 1994?

I notice the liberals on this thread talk of nasty partisan politics and the need to work together but if I'm not mistaken they have been the only ones to call nasty names and spew invective. The conservatives have been much more reasonable, while the liberals insult and attack but call for unity and cooperation.

Again, if the 20% who are Republicans are finished as you say then why the hysteria? It does not fit if you truly believe this. Can you discuss issues calmly or is this hateful pattern of personal attack so ingrained in Democratic policy that reasoned civil discourse is no longer possible. If you would lead rather than try to rule then you will need to rediscover this skill, and quickly.

10:12 AM  
Blogger sue said...

Lisa you are living in the land of the wacko rightwing arena. You all are so entrenched in fear of the unknown (that would be fear of anything opposite of conservatism). Just be patient, it will be OK, nothing so severe as your imagination tells you, is gonna happen with this presidency.

10:15 AM  
Blogger Machinist said...

As to having "found" this blog, if our guest host, Michael Boh, who is generously filling in for Papamoka during this trying time,is uncomfortable with me commenting here he need only say I am not welcome and I will respect his wishes. I am not a troll.

10:17 AM  
Blogger by Michael Boh said...

Wow, you go away for a day and look what happens. I miss PapaM.

I'm not going to refute point-for-point, seeing there are too many, but I will say that all REPUTABLE sources point out the US government managed its budget fine up until Reagan (who won the election complaining about a debt of only $700 million). Interestingly, Reagan created most of his debt like Bush did, by cutting taxes for the rich and high military spending. Sadly, he also raised taxes on the poor.

Clinton successfully lowered that Reagan/Bush debt a little (by fighting the GOP) and left an annual surplus, which George Bush Jr. then gave away as a "peace bonus" to his rich friends. He then proceeded to push the debt from $4-5 trillion to over $10 trillion before leaving office.

Despite what you Republicans want to think about your history, facts are facts. You are the party of lower taxes and high deficits and debt - placing all the burden on future generations. You can try to run away from it, but it won't work. Those are the facts.

It's fascinating the difference in perspective. Your side sees "lower taxes" while our side sees "societal and generational theft." It's a fact, you guys DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR ANYTHING, despite NEEDING and WANTING the government services. Your rhetoric means nothing. Those are the facts. I've seen NOTHING written here to prove otherwise. NOW LIVE WITH IT!!!

The other UNBELIEVEABLE part of this is that despite all the facts, you guys seem to think WE are the irresponsible party. You can see that by the absurd and propagandistic comments here - talking points like BJ says. Oh well, I guess there's no getting through to you guys. We'll just have to live with your pathetic denial.

On a another topic, briefly brought up here, I have a crazy little factoid. Did you guys (on my side) hear the latest news? That Holocaust Museum right-wing-NUT-JOB-racist-hate-filled-murderer was angry BECAUSE the government CUT HIS SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS! His friends closest to him said that's why he went to kill innocent people.

THE IRONY!!!!!!!

Only in the world of right-wing-tards would a man get so angry as to KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE over the fact that he had his SOCIAL benefits cut, while at the same time calling us SOCIALISTS and supporting the Republicans who reject such programs. Wow, that is WEIRD!!

Am I the only one who sees the complete breakdown of reasonable political thinking in this country at the moment? My God, we've entered the TWILIGHT ZONE!! Everybody seems to have LOST IT! They seem to CREATE THEIR OWN REALITIES - and their own FACTS! Or, maybe they just want to HATE!! I know it sounds simplistic, but I mostly blame FOX "News" for creating these altered states.

So, what's going to happen next? Will the right-wing-murderers begin to KILL US ALL if we create a government health option that doesn't suit them? I've heard of being "killed by kindness," but to be killed FOR kindness. I swear, they have gone MAD!

Again, they want to run away from these facts, but they can't. It's clear their side has gone WHACKO!!! Again, deny it all you want, but as Shakespeare wrote in "The Merchant of Venice," TRUTH WILL OUT. :)

10:28 AM  
Blogger Machinist said...

Oh My. The nutjob tried to kidnap the Federal Reserve chairman in 1981 with a revolver and a shotgun. Was this the result of Fox news and Bush cuts to Social Security. He was a "truther", one who believes Bush staged 9/11. Is this a Republican idea? To try to pin this nut on either party is foolish. His anti-Semetism is much more in line with Democratic Rev, Wrights teachings but I in no way try to link him with Obama. Did this link between him and Republicans come from one of those "credible" sources?

"Opinion I like" does not equal "Fact". Is this how you encourage people to work together and cooperate? Need to work on social skills there.

10:38 AM  
Blogger Machinist said...

"Will the right-wing-murderers begin to KILL US ALL if we create a government health option that doesn't suit them?"

Sir, this is just silly. Did you not see the calls for action against Bush's election and threats of riots if Obama did not win? There have been no such warnings from the right. There have been several cases of individual nutjobs killing abortion Doctors that have been condemned and prosecuted by Republicans. Perhaps you could remind us of the right wing terrorist organizations that are active today the way the many left wing outfits are such as Earth First, ALF, ELF, Weather Underground, PETA? Or the right wing government sponsored Brownshirts like the left wing Americorp or ACORN?

This smear just won't fly. You need to support such an accusation.

Again, you need only ask me to leave if this all bothers you.

10:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sue you are living in a world of make believe. You'd better write down what you say so you can refer back to it when yu have lost all your rights and money.
So you agree with him having czars who report to him directly and politicizing the census and not to mention having a tax cheat in charge of collecting your taxes. Talk about living in a fantasy world.
So you must agree with your Chosen one doing watever he wants with no oversight? Are you that weak that you can put all your trust into one man that you really have no idea what his past or maybe you don't care .
I knw his past I now he doesn't give a rat's ass about you or me.
All he is interested in is maing us all dependent like his buddy Chavez. I bet you would love living that kind of Eutopia.

"You all are so entrenched in fear of the unknown (that would be fear of anything opposite of conservatism). Just be patient, it will be OK, nothing so severe as your imagination tells you, is gonna happen with this presidency."
How can I be patient when I see what he doing in less than 6 months?
Hey nothing we can do anyway except let his policies decide the next election. Maybe you amy even switch who knows.


10:58 AM  
Blogger sue said...

first of all the murderer must be insane, my mom just yesterday told me of a check she got from Obama, a supplemental check of 250.00, plus she got an increase in her SS, not a decrease. The man is insane, I have heard of NO decrease in SS benefits. He is a white-supremist and had nothing better to do than murder an innocent. So you wacko gun-lovin conservatives, live with this horror of 2 murders at the hands of the fanatics on your side of the fence.

10:59 AM  
Blogger Machinist said...


Which party supported slavery, Democrat

Which party supported Jim Crow laws,Democrat.

Which party supported legal discrimination and segregation, Democrat.

Which party gave us the KKK, Democrat.

As our host-pro-tem said, "Look it up!"

I always find that "Democrats as the friend of minorities" canard a ironic.

Who appointed the first black Secretary of State? The first black National Security Adviser?

Please do better.

11:07 AM  
Blogger Machinist said...

If you have truth on your side you can engage in reasoned civil discussion. These wild accusations are not the tools of honest debate. Again, if you are right then why the hysteria?

11:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Um Sue the right support the Jews . The ones who insight the anti-jew rhetoric is the left.
So to try and pin this on the right is absurd when your president is closely asociated with people who insight Jew ahting like the Rev Wrtight and Rashid Khalidi and of course Obma himself.

11:19 AM  
Blogger Machinist said...

This seems to fit with your point about czars, Lisa. Well said.

“The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.” — Samuel Adams

11:38 AM  
Blogger sue said...

the right likes to claim the left are haters of Jews, it's absurd, and its one of their fanatical lies.

11:40 AM  
Blogger Machinist said...

Have you read the teachings of Rev. Wright? Have you listened to Cindy Sheehan? The murderous terrorist Arafat visited the Whitehouse more than any other statesman during the Clinton administration. The left has been the supporters of Muslim terrorists killing Israeli women and children. How can you even say that with a straight face?

11:46 AM  
Blogger Machinist said...

Shall I even mention Jimmy Carter's love of Hamas and other terrorist groups?

11:47 AM  
Blogger Machinist said...

We are not talking fringe groups here but people being moving in and being honored by the highest levels in the Democratic Party.

"Look it up"

11:49 AM  
Blogger Machinist said...

Again for clarification I am not calling Democrats anti-Semetic terrorists but the open anti-Semetism of the left is not something you can deny.

11:52 AM  
Blogger sue said...

Its not love, its called keep your friends close and your enemies even closer. Do you see, democrats are intelligent, they know how to use diplomacy to get what they want from their enemies. You guys live in a whole other universe.

11:53 AM  
Blogger Machinist said...

"You guys live in a whole other universe."

I know that feeling!

Are the insults and comments here towards your fellow Americans a reflection of that diplomacy, Ma'am?

Just wondering.

11:56 AM  
Blogger Machinist said...

Perhaps Sue could share with us some of the successes of Democrat diplomacy?

It seems to me it got us into Vietnam, while a Republican got us out.

It failed so badly in Iran that they committed an act of war and held our people for over a year while Carter groveled in impotence, but the thought of Reagan's diplomacy led them to release the hostages without condition on the very day Reagan was inaugurated.

It utterly failed in Bosnia and led to genocide there. Remember Clinton's promise his diplomacy would have our troops out in one year? Are they out yet?

Clinton's diplomacy led to a regular and escalating pattern of terrorist attacks against America, while one such attack during Bush's administration has resulted in action that has lead to eight years without another successful attack as the terrorists run for their lives on the other side of the world.

I will be most interested in hearing about the successes that offset these and illustrate your statement.

12:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Forget it Machinist they have no documentation on democrats sucesses in the ME because they are all linked together especailly ewhen you have college profesors who carry that mesage like Rashid Khalidi,Bill Ayers and Ward Churchill and those are the ones we know about.
I like the way the left always throws the fact that they are so much smarter than everyone else and that means they know best. They are the elitist class and everyone else are just stupid rednecks.
So far Sue I haven't seen one smart thing Obama has done to help the economy. If you have please enlighten me begin you are so smart. Don't foret to add the media spin to it.
Let me help ypu:
1-Oil is at the highest level since 10/08
2-The treasury rate is at it's highest level since 10/07
GM,Chrylser,AIG have gone bankrupt
4-Citigroup and Bank of America are just going nowhere
5-taxes on small business are going up,interest rates are going up,unemployment is going up,wages are going down.
All the same clowns that helped financial instituitons lend to incapable mortgagess,Dod.Frank,Pelosi,Reid,Geitner.

Tax cuts for 95%? hahaha!
obama should be embarrassed but he doesn't have to be because he has the media telling us about "this glimmer of hope"
What a friggin joke.

12:52 PM  
Blogger by Michael Boh said...

I can't keep up with all the back and forth here unfortunately, so I just moved on to post a new article. You'll find it has elements of this debate, so feel free to go and rip it to shreds if you wish. It doesn't matter, since your little unsubstantiated jibes rarely distract me. Only valid research leads to my writing, and only valid research will distract me. :)

2:19 PM  

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