tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post8494100372620983889..comments2024-03-26T20:24:43.919-05:00Comments on Papamoka Straight Talk: The Confusing Nature of Terror and Extremism in AmericaPapamokahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14611162290397820224noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-11919511580340383562009-06-13T10:39:18.686-05:002009-06-13T10:39:18.686-05:00Well, welcome BACK, Mat. I hope you will be postin...Well, welcome BACK, Mat. I hope you will be posting again as Michael could use some relief, LOL.<br /><br />I’m not sure that I agree that we are all on the same side, but I’ll let that pass for now. I generally ignore persons leaving one cmment after another, as that is spamming, but I would feel weak if I let blatant lies go unchallenged.<br /><br />Here’s what I-753 said on my blog:<br /><br />“It is completely ridiculous. As soon as the trolls show up on Michael's postings on either blog, the comments thread stops being about the posting and starts being about them. Last time I looked at the terrorism posting on Papamoka, it had 20 comments and had degenerated into an argument about who was being more rude to whom, instead of the actual issue in the posting, which is quite important.<br /><br />“It's because of that kind of thing that I use comment moderation. Disagreement is all very well, but this is heckling.”<br /><br />I agree.<br /><br />So, Mat, I’m off to read your latest post. Hope things are brighter for you.<br /><br />BJB.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12004309077511856506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-77899603930449288322009-06-13T09:53:03.381-05:002009-06-13T09:53:03.381-05:00Good Morning! If you're reading this comment v...Good Morning! If you're reading this comment via email alone, everybody be sure to go and read PapaM's new post on the blog. It's all about us rowdy commenters and our rough debates. Let's face it, he's right, we probably should try to remember we're all on the same side. I'll try my best. :)Michael Bohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17802461239955936784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-78419844065078000482009-06-12T22:47:52.444-05:002009-06-12T22:47:52.444-05:00Sue:
Truth surfaces.
Not sure if you are talking...Sue:<br /><br />Truth surfaces.<br /><br />Not sure if you are talking about the CNN article or the essay, "How to Detect Propaganda" (the link in one of my earlier comments). That essay is well-worth reading, and no one in this country should receive a high school diploma until they study it.<br /><br />Have a good weekend. BJB.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12004309077511856506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-46377243965121717622009-06-12T22:11:42.536-05:002009-06-12T22:11:42.536-05:00Thank you for that BJ, I just wish all the right-w...Thank you for that BJ, I just wish all the right-wing blogs could read it and an awakening would occur! Wouldn't that be amazing!!Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18303260031729868857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-18123692858803283962009-06-12T18:54:59.119-05:002009-06-12T18:54:59.119-05:00Okay a truce. I will end it here as well. Sorry to...Okay a truce. I will end it here as well. Sorry to hear about your disablity. Bless you and have a lovely weekend.<br />LisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-503494595039104832009-06-12T18:54:49.101-05:002009-06-12T18:54:49.101-05:00Lisa:
It’s bad to believe a lie, worse to repeat ...Lisa:<br /><br />It’s bad to believe a lie, worse to repeat it. Please use factcheck.org, snopes.com and google to check out claims!<br /><br />There are implications in all you say that Obama is a Muslim, all Muslims are radical and our enemies, therefore Obama is a radical and is going to destroy this country. That’s what you are saying right?<br /><br />Please read this from CNN (easily located via google):<br /><br />CNN debunks false report about Obama<br /><br />POSTED: 2:01 a.m. EST, January 23, 2007<br /><br />JAKARTA, Indonesia (CNN) -- Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a "madrassa" are not accurate, according to CNN reporting.<br /><br />Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.<br /><br />Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and stepfather and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school, but an aide said it was not a madrassa. (Watch video of Obama's school )<br /><br />Insight attributed the information in its article to an unnamed source, who said it was discovered by "researchers connected to Senator Clinton." A spokesman for Clinton, who is also weighing a White House bid, denied that the campaign was the source of the Obama claim.<br /><br />He called the story "an obvious right-wing hit job."<br /><br />Insight stood by its story in a response posted on its Web site Monday afternoon.<br /><br />The Insight article was cited several times Friday on Fox News and was also referenced by the New York Post, The Glenn Beck program on CNN Headline News and a number of political blogs. (Watch how the Obama "gossip" spread )<br /><br />School not a madrassa<br /><br />But reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.<br /><br />He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.<br /><br />"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."<br /><br />Vause reported he saw boys and girls dressed in neat school uniforms playing outside the school, while teachers were dressed in Western-style clothes.<br /><br />"I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the "Situation Room" Monday. "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."<br /><br />Vause also interviewed one of Obama's Basuki classmates, Bandug Winadijanto, who claims that not a lot has changed at the school since the two men were pupils. Insight reported that Obama's political opponents believed the school promoted Wahhabism, a fundamentalist form of Islam, "and are seeking to prove it."<br /><br />"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."<br /><br />The Obama aide described Fox News' broadcasting of the Insight story "appallingly irresponsible."<br /><br />Fox News executive Bill Shine told CNN "Reliable Sources" anchor Howard Kurtz that some of the network's hosts were simply expressing their opinions and repeatedly cited Insight as the source of the allegations.<br /><br />Obama has noted in his two books, "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," that he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school while living in Indonesia from age 6 to 10.B.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12004309077511856506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-36588244385075318942009-06-12T18:38:14.087-05:002009-06-12T18:38:14.087-05:00Lisa:
I don’t want to get into a tete-a-tete with...Lisa:<br /><br />I don’t want to get into a tete-a-tete with you, but clearly we have a communication problem.<br /><br />I am Christian. I was merely pointing out that there are fanatics in every religion, but it is wrong to condemn the entire population of any religion because of the acts of radicals.<br /><br />I do hope you will read the propaganda essay. It is so enlightening.<br /><br />Bless you for your volunteer efforts. I am very independent although legally blind. A very wonderful person here helps me at the grocery store. I have done volunteer (civic organizations and church) all my life, and I know how meaningful it is.<br /><br />I am going to leave a second comment, because I want it to stand alone.<br /><br />BJB.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12004309077511856506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-6965597463776122772009-06-12T16:59:06.292-05:002009-06-12T16:59:06.292-05:00you can touch it that's okay/BJ said I should ...you can touch it that's okay/BJ said I should volunteer and I guess I should have replied that I already do volunteer for 3 organizations. Okay not every week but 2X a month for 2 of them and once in a while for another doing fund raisers.<br />I am not religious but I help out with a friend's evil right wing Christian church cooking meals for the poor. The other is for soldiers in Iraq and the other for adults with developmental disabilities. I also used to cook a meal and deliver it once a week to an elderly woman and do some grocery shopping for her every week until she went into assisted living plus I run a business. That's what we are about hard work and helping others. <br /><br />That's what I meant by volunteering under the table. I understood it why didn't you? lol!<br /><br />I heard the speech and no I am not religious and yes he knows his Islam being he went to Islamic schools in Indonesia. <br />No religion impresses me although I do admire the ones who use it to help people(see above).<br />So what now Islam is a beautiful religion and Christianity is the evil one?<br />May atrocities have been done in the name of Islam too. Radical Islam come to mind? Beheadings and stoning and flogging and heck let's throw in a few subway bombings and flying planes into buildings while we are at it.<br /><br />Remember why the Crusades started don't you. At least the Christians are finished with that war. <br />I guess though you report and you decide right?<br />LisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-23853675290391895852009-06-12T16:36:52.778-05:002009-06-12T16:36:52.778-05:00Lisa:
The real terror exists in the subject of Mi...Lisa:<br /><br />The real terror exists in the subject of Michael’s post: people who will not bother to acertain facts and think for themselves.<br /><br />It is apparent you have very little knowledge of Islam, one of the three great religions of the world. Whether you yourself are religious, this religion holds great sway over many of the world’s peoples. Acquaint yourself with it.<br /><br />Many atrocious acts have been done in the name of Christianity. The KKK come to mind.<br /><br />I would bet the farm you as a citizen of the United States have not taken an hour to listen to the speech made at Cairo University by your president. I would also bet you’ve heard plenty of takes on it from right-wing pundits.<br /><br />Instead of spending so much time leaving comments, I suggest you make much better use of your time by going to these two links and becoming better informed. You’ll be so glad you did.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/NewBeginning/" rel="nofollow">Obama’s Speech at Cairo University</a><br /><br /><a href="http://demwit.blogspot.com/2008/10/detecting-propaganda.html" rel="nofollow">How To Detect Propaganda</a><br /><br />Best, BJB.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12004309077511856506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-86812869218461288622009-06-12T12:37:17.615-05:002009-06-12T12:37:17.615-05:00Lisa (talking-point AI?): BJ all the left does is...Lisa (talking-point AI?): <i>BJ all the left does is regurgitate</i>.<br /><br />Really? All they do when you're trolling their blogs is throw up? Wonder why that could be?<br /><br /><i>I could volunteer you under the table any day</i>.<br /><br />I'm not gonna touch that one. Do these critters read what they write?Infidel753http://infidel753.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-38650831261885912422009-06-12T12:03:49.748-05:002009-06-12T12:03:49.748-05:00Do we not love Frodo!! I always get a smile on my ...Do we not love Frodo!! I always get a smile on my face when Frodo appears! Hope everyone is having a good day! SueSuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18303260031729868857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-51691760718726663582009-06-12T10:37:28.444-05:002009-06-12T10:37:28.444-05:00Great post BJ! Lisa, if you read my work you would...Great post BJ! Lisa, if you read my work you would see that I have addressed each and every question, especially questions related to government spending. Have a good day guys!Michael Bohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17802461239955936784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-36311330970428329062009-06-12T10:11:37.090-05:002009-06-12T10:11:37.090-05:00Frido I have alot to say the thing is I feel the n...Frido I have alot to say the thing is I feel the need o say it you. Anyway I do work I have my own business and with that I am on my way out the door to take a client to lunch and to see another afterwards.<br />Anyway I see no one is replying to my questions. Sorry to confuse anyone with facts. I know the truth hurts so I can understand not wanting to confront it.<br />Good Day....for now.<br />LisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-38644582182471778692009-06-12T09:18:10.105-05:002009-06-12T09:18:10.105-05:00Frodo suggests that Lisa and "The Machinist&q...Frodo suggests that Lisa and "The Machinist" establish their own web page. It would be interesting to have them measure exactly how much interest they generate on their own. Frodo assumes that given their domination of the commentary on this web page that they both have plenty of time on their hands. It might also give both of them an introduction to "Spell Check (or perhaps to Merriam Webster)."Frodo, fair, if not unbalancednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-21696971301120744582009-06-12T09:09:16.563-05:002009-06-12T09:09:16.563-05:00I guess Michael won't address my question rega...I guess Michael won't address my question regarding the amount of money the Spender in Chief is squandering. He must agree with Soros who is enjoying the money he is making off of our devalued dollar. You know like he did to England. That's the thanks they got for taking care of him for free when he was a youth and broke his leg.<br />I guess you agree with this as well?<br /><br />WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama says he has lost confidence in the inspector general who investigates AmeriCorps and other national service programs and has told Congress he is removing him from the position.<br /><br />Obama's move follows an investigation by IG Gerald Walpin of Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson, who is an Obama supporter and former NBA basketball star, into the misuse of federal grants by a nonprofit education group that Johnson headed.<br /><br />Walpin was criticized by the acting U.S. attorney in Sacramento for the way he handled an investigation of Johnson and St. HOPE Academy, a nonprofit group that received hundreds of thousands of dollars in federal grants from the Corporation for National Community Service. The corporation runs the AmeriCorps program.<br /><br />"It is vital that I have the fullest confidence in the appointees serving as Inspectors General," Obama said in a letter Thursday to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Vice President Joe Biden, who also serves as president of the Senate. "That is no longer the case with regard to this Inspector General."<br /><br />The president didn't offer any more explanation, but White House Counsel Gregory Craig, in a letter to Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, cited the U.S. attorney's criticism of Walpin to an integrity committee for inspectors general.<br /><br />Sounds like politics as usual in all it's transparency.<br /><br />Be careful what you wish for because one day it may be something you oppose. Which I can't believe you haven't opposed anything thus far.<br />LisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-48200629100749518032009-06-12T08:56:08.449-05:002009-06-12T08:56:08.449-05:00BJ all the left does is regurgitate. Just put on a...BJ all the left does is regurgitate. Just put on any 7 news shows and it's like they all got the same memo.<br />I won't debate you but when someone says the government should be investigating people with dissent then yes I am merely pointing out the logic in that by pointing to a real threat which are Muslim Fanatics. Do you live in America or have you not heard about how this religion has been degraded?<br />I guess you weren't aware that the 1993 WTC bombing was coordinated out of a Mosque in NJ.<br />I guess things like that aren't a threat to you.<br />And to the fact we don't work is usually a statmenet I would have made. Don't talk to me about volunteering either. I could volunteer you under the table any day.<br />LisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-74132588041836326662009-06-12T05:40:07.367-05:002009-06-12T05:40:07.367-05:00First, don’t call a woman “Ma’am.” It ages her con...First, don’t call a woman “Ma’am.” It ages her considerably.<br /><br />It was your intention to make Michael and every liberal commenting uncomfortable. Perhaps, you should take the time to go back over your comments.<br /><br />Do something good today!<br /><br />Best, BJB.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12004309077511856506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-13098916613308039782009-06-12T05:08:22.419-05:002009-06-12T05:08:22.419-05:00B.J.,
Was I ever less than polite to you, Ma'...B.J.,<br /><br />Was I ever less than polite to you, Ma'am? You can find out about me by clicking on my name. I left because I seemed to be making Michael uncomfortable and I did not wish to disrupt the site or the host.<br /><br />Please have a good morning, Ma'am. Good bye.Machinisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823033143224574421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-62388930847941424752009-06-12T03:33:43.552-05:002009-06-12T03:33:43.552-05:00Michael:
After reading the comments from yesterda...Michael:<br /><br />After reading the comments from yesterday and those on this post, here are a few observations:<br /><br />1) Lisa and Machinist apparently don’t work. If they do work, they are seriously neglecting the jobs they are getting paid to do. Volunteering to help fellow Americans less fortunate might be a better use of all that apparent free time. But wait, maybe they do earn their money as “hired guns” for some right-wing group using propaganda skills aimed at disrupting legitimate discourse and goading anyone whose opinion differs from their own. Hmmm. Lots of that going on in Texas.<br /><br />2) Throughout the comment threads, all they seemed to be able to do is regurgitate what they have heard from their mentors:<br /><br />• David Horowitz: If you are educated, you are “the elite,” you are out to destroy America, and you think you are smarter than “the rest of us” and believe we are “rednecks.” You hate us because we are the true patriots. Colleges which impart a well-rounded liberal education are hotbeds of anti-American activity, so stay away from such colleges (otherwise you might see through this propaganda).<br />• Sean Hannity: “The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers” prove Obama is anti-American and out to bring this country down - and you with it, blah, blah, blah.<br />• Bill O’Reilly: “George Soros, ACLU, moveon.org, Bill Ayers,” blah, blah, blah. Now go out and shut down some left-wing blogs, Factoids!<br />• Rush Limbaugh: Liberals hate America; they want a socialist society to help, you know, “piglets at the nipples;” and Obama simply cannot be allowed to succeed as president, blah, blah, blah.<br />• Fox News: “Thanks for tuning in and lapping up our lies. The profits are great. Sincerely, Rupert Murdoch P.S. You’re doing a heckuva job, Ailes.”<br /><br />3) Did anyone count how many times “Machinist” said he would leave the comment zone if Michael said the word?. Did anyone hear Michael ask him to leave? Did he really go away? <br />4) Did you catch that Lisa took Infidel753’s comment to task over his use of the term “religious fanatics” just a couple of comments after she asserted that all Muslim mosques in America are hotbeds of terrorist activity?<br />5) Finally, I believe these two people love their country, which is probably more respect than they would give me. Throughout their comments, it is evident that their only sources of “news” are right-wing outlets which support their beliefs. They don’t want documented news: they want validation. The declaration that the Republican Party is the “party of law and order” nearly made me fall off my chair. That one statement alone tells me they neglected facts about the Bush administration.<br /><br />Do they realize, according to all major U.S. polls, they are in a small and – thankfully – shrinking group of about 20 percent of Americans? “Look it up.”<br /><br />The fact is: Truth always surfaces, and Americans are fed up with their right-wing BS.<br /><br />BJB.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12004309077511856506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-78316436678349080772009-06-11T21:26:34.288-05:002009-06-11T21:26:34.288-05:00So Michael being you worked in DC are you making a...So Michael being you worked in DC are you making a claim that only republicans were corrupt and the democrats aren't?<br />Somehow I find that difficult to believe.<br />Do you believe that the money in Washington being spent now is good for the economy and the deficit. I would like to see an expert opinion because we are not seeing the so called transpaerncy of it that Obama likes to call it.<br />LisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-28552951051311683362009-06-11T21:21:15.080-05:002009-06-11T21:21:15.080-05:00FBI went to the offices of conservative magazine, ...FBI went to the offices of conservative magazine, Weekly Standard to inform them they were apparantly on shooters hit list:<br /><br />And winds up he's a registered democrat. There goes your theory he was rightwinger when he is actually a left winger.<br />Oh the irony!<br />LisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-31070279925766642142009-06-11T20:34:20.098-05:002009-06-11T20:34:20.098-05:00Well Sue what do you call someone who's main p...Well Sue what do you call someone who's main purpose was to rally up groups like ACORN to arrange protests for cohesion ate people's home. I call that thuggery. This is the same group who organized the protest again at a private home of AIG executives.<br />Especially when the president already knew about those bonuses.<br />He said he was going to run his presidency based on the community organizations. I hear they got millions in payback like the UAW did. Thuggery is the only word I can think of for it.<br />And I assume you never said anything ill about Bush? <br />LisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-17533993758803609112009-06-11T19:21:18.495-05:002009-06-11T19:21:18.495-05:00Everyone needs to FOLLOW THE MONEY! The link I men...Everyone needs to FOLLOW THE MONEY! The link I mention above leads to a very well thought out post - http://ourrantsandraves.blogspot.com/2009/02/good-morning-ive-been-listening-to.html#links<br /><br />It's recommended reading for all those in denial.Michael Bohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17802461239955936784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-80948696449254474442009-06-11T17:43:12.089-05:002009-06-11T17:43:12.089-05:00anybody who calls our president a street thug does...anybody who calls our president a street thug doesn't deserve comments back. Truely disgusting...Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18303260031729868857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10249940.post-18931371176486547612009-06-11T15:42:37.291-05:002009-06-11T15:42:37.291-05:00I don't want to discourage our host so I will ...I don't want to discourage our host so I will say good day. It was nice to speak with you, Lisa. Thank you.Machinisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823033143224574421noreply@blogger.com